here now to tell us is john hoffmeister. john, what's this take on the liquefied natural gas? i didn't even know there were constraints on their exports. >> well, the department of energy has to grant permits to economies that would seek to export natural gas. the study that came out was not an endorsement by the department energy, not yet. it was a third-party report analyzing the situation. it will now go into public discussion. the department of energy hasn't really taken a position yet opt report. but here's the reality. this is buried treasure, larry, this is buried treasure in this country, natural gas, i mean, that could be the stimulus that this economy has been looking for for a decade. >> 100% right. >> if we could develop this natural gas for transportation fuel, for power production, for all of the commercial and industrial uses -- >> the whole nine yards. >> yes, we could build such a transportation infrastructure without imported oil. that's the key thing. we eliminate imported oil. >> and another government study basically makes that case again saying we could b